339 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari as a tool -Marma ashwinjlsun
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Even ear piercing and nose piercing can be
therapeutical. Nose piercing is traditionally done on
a specific marma (Indian energy point) that links to
the genital area, balancing menstrual cycles and
tonifying fertility. So it seems that 'modifying' the
body with intelligent intent can aid in many levels of
health and perhaps Self-realization.
FYI
--- jim_and_his_karma <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Patricia, I understand your squeamishness, and share
> some of it myself. There's nothing
> wrong with it! If you were to completely shift
> paradigms in five secs (or even five years),
> and decide, for example, that snipping your tongue
> membrane sounds like the most
> natural thing in the world to do, THAT would be
> nutty! We are who we are, and if we're
> sane we adjust and open only gradually and
> skeptically!
>
> But let me point out that clipping this membrane is
> no more mutilating than piercing your
> ears. It's vastly less noticable to others than an
> ear piercing. And it serves a deeper
> purpose than mere fashion style.
>
> If that perspective opens you just a tad, I'd be
> glad (hey, that rhymes). No need to actually
> snip-snip-snip anytime soon. And do bear in mind
> that this is "Advanced Yoga Practices".
> You've got to expect some esoterica, no?
>
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "PParry"
> <pparry@i...> wrote:
> > Dear D,
> >
> > Ah! thanks very much for the speedy reply on
> that!..so it refers to the
> > tongue/tooth thing that was described before then.
> Thanks..I thought it was
> > another term I hadn't heard (the spelling was
> different so I couldn't find
> > it on the net. Just in case I was missing out on
> something...HAD to know!
> >
> > I am a bit squeamish about some of these practices
> (some of these posts find
> > me with my palm firmly clamped over my very shut
> mouth with my eyes bugging
> > out :-)
> > Though I did go to a mirror and have a look - I
> see exactly what you are all
> > talking about. I would have to take a whole
> bottle of Cowardly Lion Courage
> > Pills first....
> > I wonder....if the same thing can be obtained
> through strictly mental
> > means - with correct mental application, there
> are no barriers, not
> > physical ones either. Seems to me if you can get
> to a state where you can
> > hold the mental image focused enough for enough
> time, the energy channel
> > would develop anyway...
> >
> > Well live and let live...thank you so much for
> settting me straight here.
> >
> > love,
> > patricia
> >
> >
> > > Dear Patricia,
> > >
> > > I happen to know that Yogani does not recommend
> "talavya" kriya. I
> > > agree with him. But let me not misquote him,
> so I will quote
> > > directly from a private correspondance I have
> from him (maybe it is
> > > posted somewhere, I don't know):
> > >
> > >>>>>> Then there is talavya kriya, which is
> cutting the frenum the
> > > hard way, with the lower teeth. Forget that --
> unless you are a
> > > masochist, and have 50 years to get into
> kechari, and then still
> > > coming up way short. Trimming in tiny steps over
> time is the fastest
> > > and easiest way for people who are serious about
> kechari. Then the
> > > tongue will get as long as it needs to without
> going to any extreme
> > > measures. Of course, there are many who think
> the trimming is
> > > extreme. Well, it works the best for getting
> into kechari, and that
> > > is the proof of the pudding. -- Yogani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ 341 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:28pm
Subject: Re: Kechari as a tool -Marma jim_and_his_...
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Marma points...mmm, yeah, that's the heavy stuff that explains the underpinnings of
asana. Hey, I'm digging this forum! Some really good people here. Lurkers, please join in!
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@y...> wrote:
> Even ear piercing and nose piercing can be
> therapeutical. Nose piercing is traditionally done on
> a specific marma (Indian energy point) that links to
> the genital area, balancing menstrual cycles and
> tonifying fertility. So it seems that 'modifying' the
> body with intelligent intent can aid in many levels of
> health and perhaps Self-realization.
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> --- jim_and_his_karma <jim_and_his_karma@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Patricia, I understand your squeamishness, and share
> > some of it myself. There's nothing
> > wrong with it! If you were to completely shift
> > paradigms in five secs (or even five years),
> > and decide, for example, that snipping your tongue
> > membrane sounds like the most
> > natural thing in the world to do, THAT would be
> > nutty! We are who we are, and if we're
> > sane we adjust and open only gradually and
> > skeptically!
> >
> > But let me point out that clipping this membrane is
> > no more mutilating than piercing your
> > ears. It's vastly less noticable to others than an
> > ear piercing. And it serves a deeper
> > purpose than mere fashion style.
> >
> > If that perspective opens you just a tad, I'd be
> > glad (hey, that rhymes). No need to actually
> > snip-snip-snip anytime soon. And do bear in mind
> > that this is "Advanced Yoga Practices".
> > You've got to expect some esoterica, no?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "PParry"
> > <pparry@i...> wrote:
> > > Dear D,
> > >
> > > Ah! thanks very much for the speedy reply on
> > that!..so it refers to the
> > > tongue/tooth thing that was described before then.
> > Thanks..I thought it was
> > > another term I hadn't heard (the spelling was
> > different so I couldn't find
> > > it on the net. Just in case I was missing out on
> > something...HAD to know!
> > >
> > > I am a bit squeamish about some of these practices
> > (some of these posts find
> > > me with my palm firmly clamped over my very shut
> > mouth with my eyes bugging
> > > out :-)
> > > Though I did go to a mirror and have a look - I
> > see exactly what you are all
> > > talking about. I would have to take a whole
> > bottle of Cowardly Lion Courage
> > > Pills first....
> > > I wonder....if the same thing can be obtained
> > through strictly mental
> > > means - with correct mental application, there
> > are no barriers, not
> > > physical ones either. Seems to me if you can get
> > to a state where you can
> > > hold the mental image focused enough for enough
> > time, the energy channel
> > > would develop anyway...
> > >
> > > Well live and let live...thank you so much for
> > settting me straight here.
> > >
> > > love,
> > > patricia
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Patricia,
> > > >
> > > > I happen to know that Yogani does not recommend
> > "talavya" kriya. I
> > > > agree with him. But let me not misquote him,
> > so I will quote
> > > > directly from a private correspondance I have
> > from him (maybe it is
> > > > posted somewhere, I don't know):
> > > >
> > > >>>>>> Then there is talavya kriya, which is
> > cutting the frenum the
> > > > hard way, with the lower teeth. Forget that --
> > unless you are a
> > > > masochist, and have 50 years to get into
> > kechari, and then still
> > > > coming up way short. Trimming in tiny steps over
> > time is the fastest
> > > > and easiest way for people who are serious about
> > kechari. Then the
> > > > tongue will get as long as it needs to without
> > going to any extreme
> > > > measures. Of course, there are many who think
> > the trimming is
> > > > extreme. Well, it works the best for getting
> > into kechari, and that
> > > > is the proof of the pudding. -- Yogani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ 342 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari as a tool -Marma vic
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Ashwin,
that is another very interesting pint. I remember Dr Lad talking about piercing certain spots in order to stimulate a certain Marma point and how that teh spot on teh earlobe that most women use is basically neutral. He also mentioned a spot on teh upper part of the ear used to stimulate alertness in people tending towards spaciness. Several years after I heard these things the piercing fad started. I began to wonder what effects people piercing various body areas would have and in my naivete I also at first assumed that the people doing thsi were involved in some sort of esoteric practice to primarily stimulate sexual areas but that tehre was some understanding of it. I later realized that it was simply jewelry at that point my interest was lost as I realized that it was nothing more than a variation on another hairstyle for most people and soon was not even confined to the more radical and adventurous among us but that it seemed that almost every teenaged girl got her tongue or
nipple pierced as soon as she was old enough to.
Certainly kechari was developed with a MUCH greater understanding of energy flows and marma points than the random piercings that many do today with random energetic effects.
Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com> wrote:
Even ear piercing and nose piercing can be
therapeutical. Nose piercing is traditionally done on
a specific marma (Indian energy point) that links to
the genital area, balancing menstrual cycles and
tonifying fertility. So it seems that 'modifying' the
body with intelligent intent can aid in many levels of
health and perhaps Self-realization.
FYI
--- jim_and_his_karma <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Patricia, I understand your squeamishness, and share
> some of it myself. There's nothing
> wrong with it! If you were to completely shift
> paradigms in five secs (or even five years),
> and decide, for example, that snipping your tongue
> membrane sounds like the most
> natural thing in the world to do, THAT would be
> nutty! We are who we are, and if we're
> sane we adjust and open only gradually and
> skeptically!
>
> But let me point out that clipping this membrane is
> no more mutilating than piercing your
> ears. It's vastly less noticable to others than an
> ear piercing. And it serves a deeper
> purpose than mere fashion style.
>
> If that perspective opens you just a tad, I'd be
> glad (hey, that rhymes). No need to actually
> snip-snip-snip anytime soon. And do bear in mind
> that this is "Advanced Yoga Practices".
> You've got to expect some esoterica, no?
>
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "PParry"
> <pparry@i...> wrote:
> > Dear D,
> >
> > Ah! thanks very much for the speedy reply on
> that!..so it refers to the
> > tongue/tooth thing that was described before then.
> Thanks..I thought it was
> > another term I hadn't heard (the spelling was
> different so I couldn't find
> > it on the net. Just in case I was missing out on
> something...HAD to know!
> >
> > I am a bit squeamish about some of these practices
> (some of these posts find
> > me with my palm firmly clamped over my very shut
> mouth with my eyes bugging
> > out :-)
> > Though I did go to a mirror and have a look - I
> see exactly what you are all
> > talking about. I would have to take a whole
> bottle of Cowardly Lion Courage
> > Pills first....
> > I wonder....if the same thing can be obtained
> through strictly mental
> > means - with correct mental application, there
> are no barriers, not
> > physical ones either. Seems to me if you can get
> to a state where you can
> > hold the mental image focused enough for enough
> time, the energy channel
> > would develop anyway...
> >
> > Well live and let live...thank you so much for
> settting me straight here.
> >
> > love,
> > patricia
> >
> >
> > > Dear Patricia,
> > >
> > > I happen to know that Yogani does not recommend
> "talavya" kriya. I
> > > agree with him. But let me not misquote him,
> so I will quote
> > > directly from a private correspondance I have
> from him (maybe it is
> > > posted somewhere, I don't know):
> > >
> > >>>>>> Then there is talavya kriya, which is
> cutting the frenum the
> > > hard way, with the lower teeth. Forget that --
> unless you are a
> > > masochist, and have 50 years to get into
> kechari, and then still
> > > coming up way short. Trimming in tiny steps over
> time is the fastest
> > > and easiest way for people who are serious about
> kechari. Then the
> > > tongue will get as long as it needs to without
> going to any extreme
> > > measures. Of course, there are many who think
> the trimming is
> > > extreme. Well, it works the best for getting
> into kechari, and that
> > > is the proof of the pudding. -- Yogani
