259 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:02pm
Subject: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya ashwinjlsun
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One exercise called Tablya Kriya does what you are
speaking of Sifbear, and I wanted to add it to the
group. It is a way to stretch the frenum without
clipping it...
1st - You place the tongue on the roof of the mouth,
the WHOLE tongue all the way back, then open the jaw
in rhythm with the drawing back of the tongue into the
mouth to stretch the frenum. It is a rhythmical
motion. Then at the total extension, let the tongue be
pulled off of the suction of the mouths roof and pop
down with a 'knock' sound...this is motion one.
2nd - open the mouth and slide the tongue straight out
and down towards the chin as far as possible WHILE
making contact of the frenum ON the front teeth. The
front teeth becomes the 'scissors' here. This is the
second step.
Then Repeat step 1, then 2, and this is ONE Tablya
Kriya. Then repeat this procedure 50 times. We draw it
up and stretch it back, then push it out and grind the
frenum on the front teeth. Do it for 50 times and you
will feel the subtle cutting of the frenum without
having to use scissors, and possible cutting too much
at a time, or getting an infection. This is directly
from the Kriya Yoga lineage...it is safe and
effective.
What do you guys experience?
Namaste-
Ashwin
--- sifbear <sifbear@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I thought I'd add my two cents about kechari. I've
> been trimming my
> frenum on and off for several months now. I have
> been able to put my
> tongue above my soft palate and can keep it there
> without the use of
> my finger, but I haven't yet been able to reach to
> my nasal septum.
> I'm close--I can feel the triangular opening framed
> by the hard
> palate bones. One thing that has helped me is
> stretching the frenum
> membrane, rather than stretching the tongue muscle.
> To do this, I put
> my tongue into kechari 1, tighten the tongue
> muscles, and then push
> with my finger so that I can feel the stretch in the
> frenum. Dropping
> the jaw can increase the stretch. You can do this
> with or without
> cutting the frenum. I often do it after making a cut
> to stretch the
> membrane a bit more...this is a little painful and
> may be
> overzealous, so use your own judgement. (And
> remember to keep your
> scissors, mouth, and fingers clean to minimize the
> risk of infection.)
>
> There was a question about the uvula in yesterday's
> digest. When I go
> above the soft palate, I go to one side of the uvula
> or the other. I
> then have to wiggle my tongue around a bit so that
> the uvula slides
> down the underside of my tongue and stays in the
> mouth cavity, rather
> than being folded up above the soft palate.
>
> Sifbear
>
>
>
>
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http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ 261 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:17pm
Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya vic
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Ashwin,
I have heard about this and appreciate your describing it. Rubbing the tongue on the teeth seems a bit rough to me though. I think that a precise snip would be cleaner and possibly safer. some of the actions and the sequence described does sound very helpful though.
I am also curious about the stage 4 kechari which seems very difficult. What happens when the tongue actually enters the nasal holes? I am trying but I think that my tongue is a bit too thick for this. There is basically no information about this from anyone but Yogani and wondering if anyone in the group has any experience there.
Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com> wrote:
One exercise called Tablya Kriya does what you are
speaking of Sifbear, and I wanted to add it to the
group. It is a way to stretch the frenum without
clipping it...
1st - You place the tongue on the roof of the mouth,
the WHOLE tongue all the way back, then open the jaw
in rhythm with the drawing back of the tongue into the
mouth to stretch the frenum. It is a rhythmical
motion. Then at the total extension, let the tongue be
pulled off of the suction of the mouths roof and pop
down with a 'knock' sound...this is motion one.
2nd - open the mouth and slide the tongue straight out
and down towards the chin as far as possible WHILE
making contact of the frenum ON the front teeth. The
front teeth becomes the 'scissors' here. This is the
second step.
Then Repeat step 1, then 2, and this is ONE Tablya
Kriya. Then repeat this procedure 50 times. We draw it
up and stretch it back, then push it out and grind the
frenum on the front teeth. Do it for 50 times and you
will feel the subtle cutting of the frenum without
having to use scissors, and possible cutting too much
at a time, or getting an infection. This is directly
from the Kriya Yoga lineage...it is safe and
effective.
What do you guys experience?
Namaste-
Ashwin
--- sifbear <sifbear@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I thought I'd add my two cents about kechari. I've
> been trimming my
> frenum on and off for several months now. I have
> been able to put my
> tongue above my soft palate and can keep it there
> without the use of
> my finger, but I haven't yet been able to reach to
> my nasal septum.
> I'm close--I can feel the triangular opening framed
> by the hard
> palate bones. One thing that has helped me is
> stretching the frenum
> membrane, rather than stretching the tongue muscle.
> To do this, I put
> my tongue into kechari 1, tighten the tongue
> muscles, and then push
> with my finger so that I can feel the stretch in the
> frenum. Dropping
> the jaw can increase the stretch. You can do this
> with or without
> cutting the frenum. I often do it after making a cut
> to stretch the
> membrane a bit more...this is a little painful and
> may be
> overzealous, so use your own judgement. (And
> remember to keep your
> scissors, mouth, and fingers clean to minimize the
> risk of infection.)
>
> There was a question about the uvula in yesterday's
> digest. When I go
> above the soft palate, I go to one side of the uvula
> or the other. I
> then have to wiggle my tongue around a bit so that
> the uvula slides
> down the underside of my tongue and stays in the
> mouth cavity, rather
> than being folded up above the soft palate.
>
> Sifbear
262 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:21pm
Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya ashwinjlsun
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Victor ji,
I am not at stage 4, and I have no info about this
area of practice as of yet...if I come across any
helpful hints or info, I'll quickly reply it on to you
and the group...
Ashwin
--- victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ashwin,
> I have heard about this and appreciate your
> describing it. Rubbing the tongue on the teeth seems
> a bit rough to me though. I think that a precise
> snip would be cleaner and possibly safer. some of
> the actions and the sequence described does sound
> very helpful though.
> I am also curious about the stage 4 kechari which
> seems very difficult. What happens when the tongue
> actually enters the nasal holes? I am trying but I
> think that my tongue is a bit too thick for this.
> There is basically no information about this from
> anyone but Yogani and wondering if anyone in the
> group has any experience there.
>
> Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One exercise called Tablya Kriya does what you are
> speaking of Sifbear, and I wanted to add it to the
> group. It is a way to stretch the frenum without
> clipping it...
>
> 1st - You place the tongue on the roof of the mouth,
> the WHOLE tongue all the way back, then open the jaw
> in rhythm with the drawing back of the tongue into
> the
> mouth to stretch the frenum. It is a rhythmical
> motion. Then at the total extension, let the tongue
> be
> pulled off of the suction of the mouths roof and pop
> down with a 'knock' sound...this is motion one.
>
> 2nd - open the mouth and slide the tongue straight
> out
> and down towards the chin as far as possible WHILE
> making contact of the frenum ON the front teeth. The
> front teeth becomes the 'scissors' here. This is the
> second step.
>
> Then Repeat step 1, then 2, and this is ONE Tablya
> Kriya. Then repeat this procedure 50 times. We draw
> it
> up and stretch it back, then push it out and grind
> the
> frenum on the front teeth. Do it for 50 times and
> you
> will feel the subtle cutting of the frenum without
> having to use scissors, and possible cutting too
> much
> at a time, or getting an infection. This is directly
> from the Kriya Yoga lineage...it is safe and
> effective.
>
> What do you guys experience?
>
> Namaste-
> Ashwin
>
>
> --- sifbear <sifbear@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought I'd add my two cents about kechari. I've
> > been trimming my
> > frenum on and off for several months now. I have
> > been able to put my
> > tongue above my soft palate and can keep it there
> > without the use of
> > my finger, but I haven't yet been able to reach to
> > my nasal septum.
> > I'm close--I can feel the triangular opening
> framed
> > by the hard
> > palate bones. One thing that has helped me is
> > stretching the frenum
> > membrane, rather than stretching the tongue
> muscle.
> > To do this, I put
> > my tongue into kechari 1, tighten the tongue
> > muscles, and then push
> > with my finger so that I can feel the stretch in
> the
> > frenum. Dropping
> > the jaw can increase the stretch. You can do this
> > with or without
> > cutting the frenum. I often do it after making a
> cut
> > to stretch the
> > membrane a bit more...this is a little painful and
> > may be
> > overzealous, so use your own judgement. (And
> > remember to keep your
> > scissors, mouth, and fingers clean to minimize the
> > risk of infection.)
> >
> > There was a question about the uvula in
> yesterday's
> > digest. When I go
> > above the soft palate, I go to one side of the
> uvula
> > or the other. I
> > then have to wiggle my tongue around a bit so that
> > the uvula slides
> > down the underside of my tongue and stays in the
> > mouth cavity, rather
> > than being folded up above the soft palate.
> >
> > Sifbear
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ 264 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:24pm
Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya vic
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Thank you.
I am comfortably at stage 3 but stage 4 seems very difficult yet I am curious about it.
Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com> wrote:
Victor ji,
I am not at stage 4, and I have no info about this
area of practice as of yet...if I come across any
helpful hints or info, I'll quickly reply it on to you
and the group...
Ashwin
--- victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ashwin,
> I have heard about this and appreciate your
> describing it. Rubbing the tongue on the teeth seems
> a bit rough to me though. I think that a precise
> snip would be cleaner and possibly safer. some of
> the actions and the sequence described does sound
> very helpful though.
> I am also curious about the stage 4 kechari which
> seems very difficult. What happens when the tongue
> actually enters the nasal holes? I am trying but I
> think that my tongue is a bit too thick for this.
> There is basically no information about this from
> anyone but Yogani and wondering if anyone in the
> group has any experience there.
>
> Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One exercise called Tablya Kriya does what you are
> speaking of Sifbear, and I wanted to add it to the
> group. It is a way to stretch the frenum without
> clipping it...
>
> 1st - You place the tongue on the roof of the mouth,
> the WHOLE tongue all the way back, then open the jaw
> in rhythm with the drawing back of the tongue into
> the
> mouth to stretch the frenum. It is a rhythmical
> motion. Then at the total extension, let the tongue
> be
> pulled off of the suction of the mouths roof and pop
> down with a 'knock' sound...this is motion one.
>
> 2nd - open the mouth and slide the tongue straight
> out
> and down towards the chin as far as possible WHILE
> making contact of the frenum ON the front teeth. The
> front teeth becomes the 'scissors' here. This is the
> second step.
>
> Then Repeat step 1, then 2, and this is ONE Tablya
> Kriya. Then repeat this procedure 50 times. We draw
> it
> up and stretch it back, then push it out and grind
> the
> frenum on the front teeth. Do it for 50 times and
> you
> will feel the subtle cutting of the frenum without
> having to use scissors, and possible cutting too
> much
> at a time, or getting an infection. This is directly
> from the Kriya Yoga lineage...it is safe and
> effective.
>
> What do you guys experience?
>
> Namaste-
> Ashwin
>
>
> --- sifbear <sifbear@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought I'd add my two cents about kechari. I've
> > been trimming my
> > frenum on and off for several months now. I have
> > been able to put my
> > tongue above my soft palate and can keep it there
> > without the use of
> > my finger, but I haven't yet been able to reach to
> > my nasal septum.
> > I'm close--I can feel the triangular opening
> framed
> > by the hard
> > palate bones. One thing that has helped me is
> > stretching the frenum
> > membrane, rather than stretching the tongue
> muscle.
> > To do this, I put
> > my tongue into kechari 1, tighten the tongue
> > muscles, and then push
> > with my finger so that I can feel the stretch in
> the
> > frenum. Dropping
> > the jaw can increase the stretch. You can do this
> > with or without
> > cutting the frenum. I often do it after making a
> cut
> > to stretch the
> > membrane a bit more...this is a little painful and
> > may be
> > overzealous, so use your own judgement. (And
> > remember to keep your
> > scissors, mouth, and fingers clean to minimize the
> > risk of infection.)
> >
> > There was a question about the uvula in
> yesterday's
> > digest. When I go
> > above the soft palate, I go to one side of the
> uvula
> > or the other. I
> > then have to wiggle my tongue around a bit so that
> > the uvula slides
> > down the underside of my tongue and stays in the
> > mouth cavity, rather
> > than being folded up above the soft palate.
> >
> > Sifbear
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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266 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:25pm
Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya: EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED HERE! jim_and_his_...
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Thanks for sharing that, Ashwin! GREAT stuff!
The more solid, factual, generous, useful stuff we post, the more that sort of thing will
crowd out the bickering crazy angry postings. The latter unfortunately set the prevalent
tone early on, and there's danger that it will alienate good people and chase them away.
What's needed to make this forum a success is for all reasonable people to prime the
pump, so to speak, with good material. It's a bit of work and a leap of faith (much like the
practices themselves!), but, in the end, more good people will come around and post more
good material. And slowly the tide will turn and we'll have a really wonderful, useful
resource for ourselves.
Let's take back the forum!
267 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya: EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED HERE! vic
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I fully agree Jim
Thats what we are trying to do here!
jim_and_his_karma <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for sharing that, Ashwin! GREAT stuff!
The more solid, factual, generous, useful stuff we post, the more that sort of thing will
crowd out the bickering crazy angry postings. The latter unfortunately set the prevalent
tone early on, and there's danger that it will alienate good people and chase them away.
What's needed to make this forum a success is for all reasonable people to prime the
pump, so to speak, with good material. It's a bit of work and a leap of faith (much like the
practices themselves!), but, in the end, more good people will come around and post more
good material. And slowly the tide will turn and we'll have a really wonderful, useful
resource for ourselves.
Let's take back the forum!
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282 From: "vasililisa" <eryugaia@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:19am
Subject: Re: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya: EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED HERE! vasililisa
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
> I fully agree Jim
> Thats what we are trying to do here!
>
what exactly is it that you are doing victor?
because from my perspective
what you are doing is misleading
people who might not know any better.
and trying to make this board
be what you want it to be
instead of what it naturally might be.
....which is the first mistake....
lili
284 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:33am
Subject: Re: Re: Kechari Mudra: Tablya Kriya: EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED HERE! vic
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Vasililisa,
My intent on this board is to discuss Yoganis AYP lessons. That is what I am trying to do, not mislead anyone at all. Your first mistake was to come on here and attack us for doing that. Have you read the lessons do you practice them? Do you have anything to contribute? If so please express THAT
vasililisa <eryugaia@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
> I fully agree Jim
> Thats what we are trying to do here!
>
what exactly is it that you are doing victor?
because from my perspective
what you are doing is misleading
people who might not know any better.
and trying to make this board
be what you want it to be
instead of what it naturally might be.
....which is the first mistake....
lili
